This is great. Any tips on a grout job that resists mould/stains. I have tile in the shower and on the floor, but there’s still water damage happening to my trim. April 14, 2013, 6:36 pm. Can we even use (modified) thinset over RedGard? I did not dampen the cement board beforehand. Hi Jeff! Especially right next to the bathtub– it’s noticeably warped. Mine is over 10 years old and has served me well for over 30 projects. We used it in our current tub surround around the CBU joints around a window. When in doubt always call the manufacturer of the shower pan because they can tell how to properly install their product. This means RedGard will expand and contract ever so slightly to prevent cracks from forming in the shower tile. You gotta send me some pictures of the finished project though ([email protected]). It would be virtually impossible for this design not to be watertight, as long as you do tidy work. The total can still be only a few hundred dollars if you shop well (ours was even less, due to Craigslist). Very clear. any help would be great. You gave me a great idea on the ledge instead of buying some expensive soap holder tile piece. Some suggestions for next time; a) your tile fields should be symmetrical on each wall…the tiles at each end should be the same cut size. Since the index page of website's root directory is often the first page of a Web site that a user sees, it is sometimes used to offer a menu of language options for large Web sites that use geo targeting.It is also possible to avoid this step, for example by using content negotiation.. Once it’s rock solid take a level and make sure all areas where the tile will be placed on the cement board don’t have any peaks or valleys. As such we chose not to add a vapor barrier but rather let the walls breathe naturally. I have a flat surface where the tub wall meets the bathroom wall. We’re sharing our experience so that either you can waterproof your cement board or instruct your contractor to do what we did. Not a call back 1. After every shower, wipe the tile down to get most of the water off. Thanks for your excellent advice, Jeff. You guys provide amazing content. Thanks. April 19, 2013, 9:09 am. I have a small compressor-mounted sandblaster unit and I’ve been shopping for that stuff for a while and can’t find any locally. Let me know if you have additional questions. I have the older version of that saw and have easily laid 1000 sq. Both are waterproof and provide vapor protection. Those are interesting.. Ever figure this out? I also have an outside corner bead for the same transition between materials on the other side of the tub. Yep, complete tear out, walls tile floor etc… 😑. I do know how to tile and have done lots of that. These things are obvious details that are easily noticed by the more experienced (gray mustache) weekend warriors like myself. ft. of tile over the last 8 years a + I have loaned to 2 friends for their jobs. I do similar way with few diferences:1. Thanks for your help! What products do you use on the sheet rock to ensure it’s sealed before painting? Any idea about glass? My husband shares my lack of skill. The thin-set was the same kind used to adhere the tiles to the cement board panels and the consistency should allow it to just barely hang off a margin trowel or putty knife. Water can find the smallest space in a bathtub or shower space and create a big stinky problem over time. Ye have 90 degrees vertcal walls which ain’t hold no water. I am very late to this party. The (original) tile in the bathrooms only goes up about 5 feet. With the new technology, you can skip one layer of concrete, and you end up with this: Easier new showerpan method: concrete, redguard, tile. This type is designed to clamp around a plastic showerpan, but it works well for our purposes (you just won’t need the rubber ring) (image credit/Hand Model: Mike). I make it home since they are expensive from plastic and fiberglass. Because I’m using Redgard, can I use mesh tape and thin-set over the seams and then paint on the redgard? Im wondering what type drain you used here.. Im about to do a shower this way and from what I can tell about the drain I have, just a home depot drain, I wont be able to screw the drain down enough to meet the tile. Keep in mind, the thickness of RedGard should factor into how far to set a shower valve like Moen’s Posi-Temp or Hansgrohe’s iBox. Answers. Mr. Money Mustache Should I redgard where the wall meets the floor? On this project it took a few passes with both joint compound and thin-set to get the cement board area suitable for tile. So the Mustache family is now happily living in the little vacation suite I built for us with the indispensable help of my friend and host Johnny Aloha. And if you’re using small tiles, like 3 x 6 subway tiles, you’ll definitely what these bumps smoothed out because the grout lines and lippage (when two adjacent tiles have different heights) could potentially make you nuts. And it’s information that I truly appreciate. The key of prevention of crax is to enforce framing. Ask the local paint store for their recommendations on paint for bathroom walls and ceilings. How much red guard do I need? It looked roughly like this: Old showerpan method – concrete, rubber, concrete, tile. I can’t tell exactly how you handled that. Will need to pay for the concrete work (bad back and I’m 74 years old). Honest Bob Thanks for all the help jeff. I have a question about putting red guard under the Schluter waterproof membrane. We are able to peel it up in the places that it’s thick, but we can’t seem to get it off in the areas that are thin. I’m finding Hydro Ban Is almost double $$ in my area. 3. This should be fine when combined with tile and grout (remember that water is not resting/pooling on walls) but there should be a moisture barrier placed between the hardibacker and the studs. GE Miller --Large stone tiles, 12x24in, Less tiles less work, was our reasoning. This involves creating a wooden form and filling it with concrete. This stuff is basically liquid rubber in a bucket, and it overcomes the old shortcoming of rubber by combining full waterproofing with a surface to which you can stick tiles directly. Thanks. Plus a bottle of regular rain-x costs next to nothing really, Nice post – this is info I can really use! I was going to limit myself to standard sized plastic shower pans, but maybe I’ll reconsider. My problem is I have fiber-taped and thinsetted the joints and corners but I have a few peaks and valleys after the thinset has dried. One thing I’ve got a question on though is waterproofing the walls. This will make your tile job look uber-fantastic. I suspect the biggest issue is you don’t want excess moisture trapped in the concrete, since Redguard is water-soluble until it is dry. Awesome job. First one and lots of questions. I am completely remodeling our bathroom and as of now I’m just finishing up screwing in the last durorock piece. September 2, 2013, 8:52 pm. Beyond grateful. I successfully removed the old tiles without causing any damage to the wall behind. Others are not so good in my view. I’m looking at ideas for my friend’s cabin. But it all starts with the poured showerpan. I used the old method for the sloped base, I’m excited to try out Redguard or Aquaguard instead, thanks for the tip. This goes right over the concrete, over the plastic edge of the drain, and up the walls a few feet. Otherwise, the paint job of the adjacent wall next to the tile will look less than crappy (and we mean this in the nicest sense). Now that you understand the basics, let’s check out a couple of action pictures to show the pouring, forming, and waterproofing in detail. Trish Boyce Thx, Jeff. You’ll want a fairly dry (almost crumbly) mix of cement. My question is this: green board, hardi back and then Redgard, or green board, Redgard, and finally hardiback? I’ve had the same problem with plaster and drywall. You could always use RedGard on the drywall itself. I am in the process today of demolishing an old school shower built this way — concrete pan, rubbery/vinyl looking liner, tiles, etc. 8 or 9 years ago I tackled my first tiled shower project, with only one countertop tile project under my belt, by making extensive use of “Tile Your World” by John Bridge, and the web forum. Mr. Money Mustache Are you going to be doing a tile job soon? Otherwise you’ll have red boogers to remove from the wall. And one more tip, buy an extra blade for your tile saw. Leave as is? I’m no vapor barrier guru but would think the RedGard acts as a vapor barrier and therefor doesn’t require any additional plastic behind it. at Home Depot) is a roll on/trowel on product. It’s not a bad idea to use Durock up to the ceiling Paul. Thanks, Bruce Olson Reference a good tile book, “Tile Your World” by John Bridge. It will update your dependencies to point to Tamriel_Data.esm as well as the new … I have seen two types: One called RedGuard from Custom Building Products (avail. Alex | Perfecting Dad The cool part is, it didn’t really cost much to build. I have already chalked the 5’ piece and end piece. Meaning after I put in the drain housing and add the deck mud up to it. October 11, 2013, 10:02 pm. So, I’m presently remodeling my bathroom (I’m presently waiting for the thinset to dry) and had a few questions. Which view is correct? The easiest/cheapest soap holder I’ve seen is to cut a tile in half diagonally, then set that triangle in a corner at whatever height you want – or use both triangles for two soap shelves. We used a bucket of water and a sponge. Mr. Money Mustache So can we just Redguard over that and install tile from there? I find that you just need to use a good grout sealer right when you’re building it (put in grout, let it cure for as long as you can stand to wait, seal). Tiler has installed the backerboard, drywall, mesh tape and thinset. In fact, water will get through grout and therefore the final drain assembly must have been installed properly. Ya not build water tank. So the bottom line is this, if you want any AWESOME looking tile job, ensure the substrate (concrete board and surrounding joints) are absolutely as perfect as humanly possible. Note that this method is something I more or less invented for myself by puzzling through the product’s poorly written technical documentation and trying it out. This is not usually necessary, I just find it really fun to make strong concrete things. Just curious, MMM – how much of the planning and material sourcing was done before you were on the ground there? I’ve seen these be used to create the slope. Did this article ever get updated like you mention? Next, run a bead of silicone caulk or specialized shower liner sealant under the cut edge of the shower liner at the cutout for the shower drain. If you have any questions please let me know. Sure sometimes it’s fine. I can’t wait to see your finished project 🙂. It’s pretty sticky. What do we do at the transition between the cement board and the tub? Then RedGard all the walls. I’ve spent about all I have on a teeeeny cottage with one ugly bathroom. December 24, 2012, 9:21 am. There is how-to’s regarding a divot method and these drains, but I was hoping to use your exact method…and drain. What would be the proper way to install tile on walls in the bathroom that aren’t the shower? 3. That stinks Tori and I’m sorry to hear you had a bad experience with a contractor. BS. I have a similar job re-tiling a bath/shower – was going to use cement-board (knauff aqua-panel ) to avoid the need for tanking everything – you can just tile on directly, aparently these boards stay sound even if fully submerged! Use a torpedo level or 4 foot level to check for any peaks or valleys before moving onto the tiling or waterproofing step. But the application is pretty easy. We aren’t dumb, we’ve just never been exposed to doing this type of thng. © Mr. Money Mustache. The whole thing is leaking and water was pouring through the bedroom ceiling below it. No waterproofing or cement board in sight. I’d be happy to look at the shower and transition via email. My guilty pleasure is watching House Hunters with my wife, and mostly so I can watch the couples rattle off their “must-haves”: granite countertops, walk-in closet, blah blah blah. It’s pretty old school Jose. My bath rem. The key to this whole deal is a feature called the “poured showerpan”. Do I have to go to the ceiling with the DUROCK if I am using 16X16 granite tiles or can I go two levels high at 72″ and still tile to the ceiling. I rebuilt a 1950s “luxury” shower a few years ago and its old sloped concrete pan was still going strong. Mr. Money Mustache GE Miller December 21, 2012, 8:39 am. Then when that hardens, you Redguard all over everything, right over the edge of the lower part of the shower drain. December 28, 2012, 10:32 pm. We are waterproofing and tiling 3 walls of a new shower install and considering timing the ceiling over the shower enclosure also. There’s caulk between the cement board and tub. The contractor used black roofing paper #30 all around the shower compartment. Tile Elf December 21, 2012, 8:19 pm. I’m sure you did a great job 😀. Well, we made the curb a week ago. I look forward to another year of thought provoking and helpful posts on FI in 2013. We are in the middle of two bathroom remodels and the contractors have layered shower rated drywall, paper, lathe and cement to build up the walls and floors. Will this ruin the job and cause the tiles (or actually the Redgard membrane) not to adhere and fall down? Use a level to check and fix any peaks or valleys. Again, as you roll it on the walls check to make sure there are no bumps or small lint boogers in the coating. Also – you realize you’ve opened yourself to a grouting/tiling 101 article request now, MMM? And today I will show you how to make one. Thank you so much! Modified or Unmodified thinset for wall tile is the question. You roll it on the other side of the lower one on to use get of. 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